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		<title>By: Susan (Wombwell) Clemens-Bruder</title>
		<link>http://terenceruffle.co.uk/20100601-george-wombwell-menagerist-part-2/comment-page-1#comment-9524</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan (Wombwell) Clemens-Bruder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2011 14:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Susan,
Thank you so much for this information.  I have a picture of who I think are Harriet and Bevan.  My father was the oldest of his generation and was given the family photograph album.  I have a photo of E.H. Bostock at a family wedding and one of Elizabeth Bostock his wife.  

There are two pictures of who I think is Harriet when she was younger and a picture of a couple taken at Liverpool in the 1890s that is clearly the same woman older and her husband (1880s or early 90s).  Do you have any pictures of Bevan or any other family members that you would be willing to share a scanned copy with me?  My dad didn&#039;t know who many of the people were and that might be because his grandfather Charles died fairly young and his father may not have remembered all the people in the album.  I would be so grateful for any images you could share.

Thanks again so much for this information, I&#039;ll pursue it.
Susan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Susan,<br />
Thank you so much for this information.  I have a picture of who I think are Harriet and Bevan.  My father was the oldest of his generation and was given the family photograph album.  I have a photo of E.H. Bostock at a family wedding and one of Elizabeth Bostock his wife.  </p>
<p>There are two pictures of who I think is Harriet when she was younger and a picture of a couple taken at Liverpool in the 1890s that is clearly the same woman older and her husband (1880s or early 90s).  Do you have any pictures of Bevan or any other family members that you would be willing to share a scanned copy with me?  My dad didn&#8217;t know who many of the people were and that might be because his grandfather Charles died fairly young and his father may not have remembered all the people in the album.  I would be so grateful for any images you could share.</p>
<p>Thanks again so much for this information, I&#8217;ll pursue it.<br />
Susan</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harriet Wombwell/Tucker and Bevan Wilkinson

Bevan Wilkinson is a gg uncle of mine and by tracing his line came across his marriage to Harriet. I found an entry in the 1901 census where a Bevan and Harriet are in Ashton under Lyme in caravan number 5....Bevan&#039;s occupation is traveller and caravan number 4 has Harold Berkett listed as a worker for Wombwells menagerie so this looks like them..this is where my trail goes cold..I can find nothing after this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harriet Wombwell/Tucker and Bevan Wilkinson</p>
<p>Bevan Wilkinson is a gg uncle of mine and by tracing his line came across his marriage to Harriet. I found an entry in the 1901 census where a Bevan and Harriet are in Ashton under Lyme in caravan number 5&#8230;.Bevan&#8217;s occupation is traveller and caravan number 4 has Harold Berkett listed as a worker for Wombwells menagerie so this looks like them..this is where my trail goes cold..I can find nothing after this.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan (Wombwell) Clemens-Bruder</title>
		<link>http://terenceruffle.co.uk/20100601-george-wombwell-menagerist-part-2/comment-page-1#comment-8151</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan (Wombwell) Clemens-Bruder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 19:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reference to the elephant at Coventry:

My great, great grandmother Elizabeth Carding b. 1826 married William Wombwell.  They had one child Harriet Wombwell 26 December 1848 and registered 11 January 1849.  Elizabeth (Carding) Wombwell married George Anthoness who served as a musician and booking agent for the Wombwell  menagerie.  He and Elizabeth had two children Charlotte b. about 1852 and Charles my great-grandfather b. 1854.  

Harriet was often listed as Harriet Anthoness in the census records (probably because the census takers asked the childrens&#039; first name birth dates, Harriet used her birth name Wombwell in her marriage record to James Tucker in 1866.  The Tuckers had one child Ellen.  James died in 1870.  

Harriet and Her daughter were living with Elizabeth Anthoness in 1871, but sometime after that she joined the Bostock and Wombwell&#039;s menagerie.  E.H. Bostock mentions her in his memoir.  He notes that his cousin Harriet, an animal trainer was attacked by a hyena.  He saved her, but she sustained a number of bites.  It seems that they were on the back and shoulder.  

Harriet (Wombwell) Tucker married Bevan Wilkinson in 1876, and they are listed with the menagerie at least until 1891.  Wilkinson came from a very musical family similar to the musical background of George Anthoness.  Bevan was a musician as were his father and brother.  They were listed as music professors in the census.  

I am working on Harriet in her later years, but need to get more documentation.

Charles Anthoness used the name Wombwell when he, his wife Sarah Ann (Foxley) Anthoness, my grandfather Frederick George Anthoness(age 4) and my great uncle Charles Bevan Anthoness emigrated to the U.S.A. in 1881. 

Other members of the extended family came to the U.S. for a time, including Frank Charles Bostock the youngest brother of E.H. Bostock, but repatriated to England.  My family stayed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reference to the elephant at Coventry:</p>
<p>My great, great grandmother Elizabeth Carding b. 1826 married William Wombwell.  They had one child Harriet Wombwell 26 December 1848 and registered 11 January 1849.  Elizabeth (Carding) Wombwell married George Anthoness who served as a musician and booking agent for the Wombwell  menagerie.  He and Elizabeth had two children Charlotte b. about 1852 and Charles my great-grandfather b. 1854.  </p>
<p>Harriet was often listed as Harriet Anthoness in the census records (probably because the census takers asked the childrens&#8217; first name birth dates, Harriet used her birth name Wombwell in her marriage record to James Tucker in 1866.  The Tuckers had one child Ellen.  James died in 1870.  </p>
<p>Harriet and Her daughter were living with Elizabeth Anthoness in 1871, but sometime after that she joined the Bostock and Wombwell&#8217;s menagerie.  E.H. Bostock mentions her in his memoir.  He notes that his cousin Harriet, an animal trainer was attacked by a hyena.  He saved her, but she sustained a number of bites.  It seems that they were on the back and shoulder.  </p>
<p>Harriet (Wombwell) Tucker married Bevan Wilkinson in 1876, and they are listed with the menagerie at least until 1891.  Wilkinson came from a very musical family similar to the musical background of George Anthoness.  Bevan was a musician as were his father and brother.  They were listed as music professors in the census.  </p>
<p>I am working on Harriet in her later years, but need to get more documentation.</p>
<p>Charles Anthoness used the name Wombwell when he, his wife Sarah Ann (Foxley) Anthoness, my grandfather Frederick George Anthoness(age 4) and my great uncle Charles Bevan Anthoness emigrated to the U.S.A. in 1881. </p>
<p>Other members of the extended family came to the U.S. for a time, including Frank Charles Bostock the youngest brother of E.H. Bostock, but repatriated to England.  My family stayed.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Wombwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Wombwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been researching the family history of my famly for the past 5 years or more.
When it comes to george, of menagerie fame I was told by my Grandfather there was a connection.
As far as I can see he was my 3xgreat grand uncle,should
anyone doubt where he died it was in Northallerton Market
Place in North Yorks At 9pm 16 11 1850.
Present at the death was Elizabeth Blight,I am in possesion of his Death certificate,any further info to me would be more than welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been researching the family history of my famly for the past 5 years or more.<br />
When it comes to george, of menagerie fame I was told by my Grandfather there was a connection.<br />
As far as I can see he was my 3xgreat grand uncle,should<br />
anyone doubt where he died it was in Northallerton Market<br />
Place in North Yorks At 9pm 16 11 1850.<br />
Present at the death was Elizabeth Blight,I am in possesion of his Death certificate,any further info to me would be more than welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Perry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 16:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi There.
George Wombwell did leave a will, I have a copy. His so called wife is described as single and seems to be his niece who had a daughter from her marriage to a hat maker who played in the Menagerie band. He died and I think GW took her under his wing. Lots more to tell, Richard was his cousin born in Arkesden Essex. amongst other brothers. Father John &amp; Mother Mary nee Hare. GW real name is believed to have been Josiah 1st born to James and Sarah about 1771
Hope this helps a little. Jill Perry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi There.<br />
George Wombwell did leave a will, I have a copy. His so called wife is described as single and seems to be his niece who had a daughter from her marriage to a hat maker who played in the Menagerie band. He died and I think GW took her under his wing. Lots more to tell, Richard was his cousin born in Arkesden Essex. amongst other brothers. Father John &#038; Mother Mary nee Hare. GW real name is believed to have been Josiah 1st born to James and Sarah about 1771<br />
Hope this helps a little. Jill Perry</p>
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		<title>By: keith campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>keith campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 20:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, my Mother used to say GW only bought one Boa for a shilling, that was found on a banana boat in the London docks. She said he charged curious people a halfpenny to view it, thats how he started his eventual menagerie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, my Mother used to say GW only bought one Boa for a shilling, that was found on a banana boat in the London docks. She said he charged curious people a halfpenny to view it, thats how he started his eventual menagerie.</p>
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		<title>By: keith campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>keith campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 20:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having been guided to your site by a second cousin, I find myself very interested in the Wombwell story as I too am a decendant. My Mother Dorothy was the 3rd child of Georgina Wombwell, who was a great(dont know how many greats) niece of GW. My Mother was born in Prestwich near Manchester in 1909. She used to relate stories to me about how her Mother would be scrubbing floors, complaining that she should not be doing that with all the money that was in Chancery(in Manchester). No one had a legal(paper wise)right to GW&#039;s money. Hope this helps you in some way,
Keith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having been guided to your site by a second cousin, I find myself very interested in the Wombwell story as I too am a decendant. My Mother Dorothy was the 3rd child of Georgina Wombwell, who was a great(dont know how many greats) niece of GW. My Mother was born in Prestwich near Manchester in 1909. She used to relate stories to me about how her Mother would be scrubbing floors, complaining that she should not be doing that with all the money that was in Chancery(in Manchester). No one had a legal(paper wise)right to GW&#8217;s money. Hope this helps you in some way,<br />
Keith</p>
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		<title>By: Terence Ruffle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terence Ruffle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had an email from Heather today.
She&#039;s still researching GW and the families.
Heather raised an interesting point, where did GW get the money(a fortune in those days) to buy the Boas?
The question of George&#039;s financial ability to purchase the snakes has come under scrutiny before, Andrew Parsons raised this question in an email.
Andrew Parsons and another believe GW had an older cousin called Richard, who married a rich Irish landowner called Maria West who&#039;s will mentions GW as the executer. Also GW gave her a woodcut which sounds like the original illustration on his business card, a yellow Tiger.
Richard and Maria had lived in Commercial road some years prior to GW moving to London, the theory is he borrowed the money from her and repaid the debt handsomely, hence GW is mentioned in Maria&#039;s will.
The only flaw in this lovely tale is that no-one can find Richard in any parish records.
Ok, enough already!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had an email from Heather today.<br />
She&#8217;s still researching GW and the families.<br />
Heather raised an interesting point, where did GW get the money(a fortune in those days) to buy the Boas?<br />
The question of George&#8217;s financial ability to purchase the snakes has come under scrutiny before, Andrew Parsons raised this question in an email.<br />
Andrew Parsons and another believe GW had an older cousin called Richard, who married a rich Irish landowner called Maria West who&#8217;s will mentions GW as the executer. Also GW gave her a woodcut which sounds like the original illustration on his business card, a yellow Tiger.<br />
Richard and Maria had lived in Commercial road some years prior to GW moving to London, the theory is he borrowed the money from her and repaid the debt handsomely, hence GW is mentioned in Maria&#8217;s will.<br />
The only flaw in this lovely tale is that no-one can find Richard in any parish records.<br />
Ok, enough already!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Everett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Everett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 03:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi I&#039;ve posted the email address again and also this one: shauneverett@btinternet.com and shaun.everett@estuarybooks.co.uk

Hope you get through this time! When you respond I&#039;ll send the article straight to you (it has some photos).

Liked the page on B&amp;W. and those photos/memorabilia. Willie Layzell also fascinates me but as you have said it&#039;s an entirely new story to tell.

I research Wombwell for probably the same reasons as yourself and hope to have a complete history over the next few years. This is not easy since it relies on goodwill, not least of all those that have responded to your pages.

There is also another video from Mitchell and Kenyon collection via the BFI, I don&#039;t know whether it is freely available as such. Dan Cruickshank showed it a couple of years ago.

regards
Shaun</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi I&#8217;ve posted the email address again and also this one: <a href="mailto:shauneverett@btinternet.com">shauneverett@btinternet.com</a> and <a href="mailto:shaun.everett@estuarybooks.co.uk">shaun.everett@estuarybooks.co.uk</a></p>
<p>Hope you get through this time! When you respond I&#8217;ll send the article straight to you (it has some photos).</p>
<p>Liked the page on B&#038;W. and those photos/memorabilia. Willie Layzell also fascinates me but as you have said it&#8217;s an entirely new story to tell.</p>
<p>I research Wombwell for probably the same reasons as yourself and hope to have a complete history over the next few years. This is not easy since it relies on goodwill, not least of all those that have responded to your pages.</p>
<p>There is also another video from Mitchell and Kenyon collection via the BFI, I don&#8217;t know whether it is freely available as such. Dan Cruickshank showed it a couple of years ago.</p>
<p>regards<br />
Shaun</p>
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		<title>By: Helen Wilson nee Ruffle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen Wilson nee Ruffle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 21:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know you have spent many many hours researching,emailing,and writing this story and Im proud of you for delivering such a interesting piece,so what if GW wasnt our ggggrandfather,we can still be proud of our heritige.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know you have spent many many hours researching,emailing,and writing this story and Im proud of you for delivering such a interesting piece,so what if GW wasnt our ggggrandfather,we can still be proud of our heritige.</p>
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